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Dec 2021

Debt Settlement or Chapter 13 Bankruptcy Which is Better?

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Debt Settlement or Chapter 13 Bankruptcy: Which is Better?

My friend Roberta knew she was in financial trouble, but she wanted to try pay her debts. Rather than file Chapter 13 bankruptcy, she signed up for a debt settlement company, who promised her a “customized reduction plan.”  Over 18 months she paid $23,673.00.  And the debt settlement company settled two of her credit cards:  A Chase card for $10,496; and another Chase card for $9719.  With their fees and overhead, Roberta’s payments to debt settlement totaled $3458 more than the total of the debts they settled.

It cost Roberta $23,673 to settle two credit cards totaling $20,215. Her “savings” was negative $3438.

That debt settlement company promises “you will settle your debts for less than you owe.” Settling for less than you owe doesn’t necessarily save you money.  It depends on how much less they settle for.  That’s because most debt settlement companies charge you a 25% fee.  (Plus a monthly account fee, usually $10.00) That fee isn’t 25% of what they save you–it’s 25% of the whole debt.  So if the creditor is only willing to settle for 75% of what’s due, you have no savings at all.  

Spending that extra $3458 wasn’t the worst of it.  

While she was settling the two Chase cards, her other creditors weren’t getting paid. Two Bank of America cards, two Citibank cards, and a Target card were all reporting her to the credit bureaus every month as late.  She had nineteen months of being reported as late–and of those 13 months were reported as “charged off.”  

Finally, after being ignored for 19 months, Bank of America sued.  (I say finally because Roberta was lucky–or unlucky–that she didn’t have Discover or Capital One. Both of those companies are much quicker to sue than Bank of America.)  That’s when she realized debt settlement was not working for her.

I See Debt Settlement a Lot

Since I’m a bankruptcy lawyer, I see a lot of people who get sued while they are paying their debts through debt settlement. The two debt settlement outfits I see most often are the biggest, Freedom Debt Relief and National Debt Relief.   (Freedom Debt Relief calls what they do “debt resolution.” National Debt Relief says they do “debt relief.”) 

Roberta’s experience is typical of what I see.  She kept really good records, so I could understand exactly how it worked out for her.

The big debt settlement companies have thousands of happy customers. Maybe you’ll be one of them.  To help you decide, I put the advantages of debt settlement compared to Chapter 13 for you to read and think about.  (I’ve written on this twice before, but not in much detail.) 

Debt Settlement vs Chapter 13: What are the Advantages?

Settlement Fees

Debt Settlement: 25% of the total debt (NOT just 25% of what you save.) On $45,000 in credit cards, that’s $11,250. Plus $9.95 a month, another $597.00.  That comes to $11,847.

Chapter 13: 10% of each payment, plus $5485 in legal fees.  Total $9,985. 

Advantage Chapter 13.

 

Tax Consequences

Debt Settlement:  You get a debt forgiveness 1099 when the credit card company settles for less than the entire amount.  If the Debt Settlement Company reduces your debt by $22,500, you get a 1099-C for that and you likely owe $6,243.60 in federal and Virginia income taxes.

Chapter 13.  There are no taxes on debt discharged in Chapter 13 or Chapter 7 bankruptcy.

Advantage Chapter 13.

 

Total You Have to Pay

Debt Settlement companies try to get creditors to settle for 50 cents on the dollar.  But while you are paying off your first few settlements, the other creditors continue to add interest (often at 29%) and late fees.  (Usually, after six months, the credit card companies stop adding interest.)  

Chapter 13 freezes the balances on your credit cards and unsecured loans.  In Chapter 13 you have to pay “all you can afford” according to a formula written in the law and applied by the bankruptcy court, but never more than the total of the debt, sometimes far less.

Advantage: It depends. Debt Settlement is definitely better if the creditors all settle quickly and if the bankruptcy court would decide you can “afford” to pay your debts in full.  Otherwise Chapter 13 can be better.

 

Do All Credit Card Companies Participate?

Debt Settlement:  Some major credit cards refuse to participate in debt settlement programs.  Participation is voluntary.

Chapter 13:  Chapter 13 is a federal law. Creditors can apply to the bankruptcy court to get paid. Or if they don’t apply, the debt is discharged (cleared) even though they get nothing.

Advantage:  Chapter 13

 

Court Cases

Debt Settlement: National Debt Relief posts this warning in bold.  “If you don’t repay or settle the debt, the debt collector can sue you.” Unless you have enough money to settle with all your debts quickly (and pay the settlement fees) the creditors NOT getting paid are likely to sue.

Chapter 13: Chapter 13 is a court order for the creditors to leave you alone. They can’t garnish, they can’t sue, and all pending court cases are stopped.

Advantage:  Chapter 13

 

Is Debt Settlement Legal?

Debt Settlement: While still operating legally in Virginia, Freedom Debt Relief has been shut down in Connecticut, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Dakota, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Vermont, Washington, West Virginia and Wyoming.  The Consumer Finance Protection Bureau sued them in 2017 and in 2019 Freedom Debt Relief agreed to pay a fine of $25 million.

Chapter 13 is established by law. When you file Chapter 13 you have a law on your side.

Advantage: Chapter 13

 

Credit Reporting

Debt Settlement:  When you stop paying your credit card in a debt settlement program, the credit cards show on your credit report as late. When they are 180 days late, they show on your credit report as “charged off.”  As you settle some accounts, those are updated to show “Paid in settlement” (Code AU). Meanwhile, the accounts not settled keep reporting 180 days past due and “charged off” every month.

Chapter 13: In Chapter 13, your accounts are noted as Chapter 13. (Code D). When the Chapter 13 is completed, they are notes as Discharged through Chapter 13. (Code H)

Advantage: Chapter 13.

 

Security Clearance

Debt Settlement tells you to stop paying all your bills–and some admit they do NOT start to negotiate until you’ve been making monthly payments to them for six to twelve months.  That’s six months or more when none of your creditors are getting paid anything. And after that, the debts are settled usually one at a time, while other continue to go later. Just not paying your debts looks irresponsible.  

Chapter 13 proposes a payment plan to a judge. That shows your security clearance officer that you have taken responsibility for your problem and are working out a solution.

Advantage: Chapter 13.  

 

Conclusion Debt Settlement or Chapter 13

When they work, Debt Settlement programs can save you about 25%–which after taxes would be more like 15%–of the total you owe and they spread your payments out over three years or so. That savings can be substantial.  But, if some of the credit cards get tired of waiting while you settle with others, then you have a year or two of terrible damage to your credit, followed by the sheriff bringing court papers to your door. You end up where you didn’t want to be, talking to a bankruptcy lawyer about Chapter 13. Or maybe Chapter 7.

PS On Roberta.

I told you at the top that Roberta paid $23,673.00 on her debt settlement plan. Where did she get that money?

Through most of the last 19 months, Roberta was able to get a COVID forbearance on her mortgage payment.  She was able to pay the debt settlement company by NOT paying her mortgage, and putting the missed payment on the end.  Of course that means she really could NOT afford debt settlement at all. It also means that she would have been able to propose a very low payment in Chapter 13, because in Chapter 13 the court allows you to budget the money you need to pay your mortgage.  That $23,673.00 was money down the drain.

 

 

 

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11

Nov 2021

Sports Gambling Comes to Virginia

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Sports Gambling Comes to Virginia

Like most people, I’ve noticed that ads for sports gambling have taken over the TV (at least on basketball and college football, which is about all the TV I watch.) Sports gambling was legalized in Virginia April last year and began in January 2021.

sports gambling

Legalized sports gambling is good for bankruptcy lawyers. But bad for American families.

Now in October and November, I’ve met two people who each lost more than $40,000 betting on sports in the last six months.  (Neither had a gambling problem before.)

Maybe a couple times a year I talk with people who are considering bankruptcy because of casino gambling at National Harbor.  From where I set, sports gambling is fast becoming a far bigger problem.  

I’m wondering if it takes about a year for sports gambling to suck people in.  A few bets here and there, a little more, and suddenly it’s a destructive, life-wrecking addiction.

That’s good news for bankruptcy lawyers.  But very bad for American families.

 

 

 

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Aug 2021

Getting Your Mortgage Statements After Bankruptcy

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Are you getting your mortgage statements after filing bankruptcy?

Some mortgage companies use bankruptcy as an excuse to stop sending mortgage statements. (Or they send them to your lawyer, not to you.) The law is completely clear. The law says to keep sending them to you. 

That law is Regulation Z. The Consumer Finance Protection Bureau issues and enforces regulations under the Truth In Lending Act. Here’s what that regulation says.

First, the mortgage servicer has to send you a monthly statement.  That’s 12 CFR 1026.41(a)(2).  (Sometimes consumers accidentally give up a right in small print without knowing it. So the official interpretation says the consumer can’t do that. You cannot give up your right to receive monthly statements.)

Man reading mortgage statement after bankruptcy

Even after bankruptcy, your mortgage company should send you a monthly statement

Second, bankruptcy does not change that. That’s in 12 CFR 1026.41(f). While they need to keep sending the monthly statement, they also need to say that they know about the bankruptcy and that the statement is for information purposes.  §1026.41(f)(2)

Third, you or I can tell them to stop.  We can tell them directly, or through papers we file with the bankruptcy court. If you are not planning to pay and keep  the house, we can tell them to stop sending those bills.  §1026.41(a)(2)(B).  (Some mortgage companies want your lawyer to request that you KEEP getting your statements.  That stands the law on its head.  The Official Interpretation says your lawyer has the authority to tell them to STOP sending payments.  Your lawyer does NOT have the authority to tell them to keep sending payments. Why? Because Regulation Z says to send the statements without being asked.)

What If You Don’t Get Your Mortgage Statements After Bankruptcy

OK.  They are supposed to keep sending your mortgage statements. What if they just don’t?

Send them an email and link this page. (Copy me on the email.) We’ll see how that works.  

The Consumer Finance Protection Bureau has enforcement authority.  Complain to the CFPB here.  Especially since the 2020 election, the CFPB is good about following up. Hope that works.

But if that fails, can you and I to to court to make them follow Regulation Z? That’s at best a gray area. It looks like we don’t have your own private right to go to court if this right is violated.  

Can the bankruptcy court help?

The bankruptcy court has general power to carry out the provisions of the bankruptcy law.  11 USC 105.  So, can the bankruptcy court require the mortgage company to do what they are supposed to do, so that you can do what you are supposed to do?

Maybe. Several of us talked about this problem at the 2021 annual meeting of the National Association of Consumer Bankruptcy Attorneys.  I’m hoping they do a class on it next year.

 

PS Here’s the notice:

Here’s the notice to send to the mortgage servicer, if they are NOT sending you the monthly statement.

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NOTICE TO MORTGAGE SERVICER

Mortgage servicer!  We are sending this reminder of the law to you.

Regulation Z orders you to send monthly statements to your customers, including the ones that have filed bankruptcy.  But you are NOT doing that. That’s why I’m sending you this this notice.

Please do what you are required to do. Send your customer the mortgage statements every month, like you are required to do.  You do NOT need my permission as your customer’s lawyer to send them.

You can take this as permission if you insist. But you do NOT need my permission to follow the law.  Just do it! — Robert Weed, Lawyer.

 

 

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